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Thanks for saying everything I think! :)

I recall having an argument with another Voxer way back when on this topic, and he couldn't put forth a single argument that was not easily defeated. And he claimed not to be a homophobe.

Huh?

Just and FYI, with the right legal help these sort of problems can be eliminated. People can work with a lawyer to cover all the bases when someone might pass away or need hospital care or whatever else irregardless of a marriage license. And when it comes to hospitals, they wouldn't let my husband have any say in my care when I went to the ER due to pain from and ovarian cyst. Once I was drugged enough to not be able to make my own decisions the doctors made them, he had no idea what they were even doing and they wouldn't tell him anything either. That's thanks to HIPAA. However, we now have legal documents (thanks to the fact that my hubby does this sort of law) that says that he is authorized to make health decisions if I am unable to do so and have a few back up people just in case we are both incapacitated. With that document he cannot be pushed aside. Technically I'd think that if the lesbian couple had a similar document the hospital would have never been able to exclude her and if they did the hospital could be sued for ignoring a legal document. My hubby has a few clients in similar situations where they use wills and other documents to protect and make sure their wishes are honored.

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EF,

Thank you so much for this. It's different to want something for yourself but when others take up for you it means even more. I have tried to spend my own lifetime taking up for causes that make general good sense for all of us. I try, as often as I can to be objective and not just stick up for things that only I or a group or category I fit into will benefit from. My own personal smell test I guess. I always figure that if I generally look after others they will follow suit and look after me. Currently I am trying to look after women from Africa. The horrors they suffer are great and injust and inflicted on them by their own people. Those are the biggest offenses of all. When you are turned on within your own countries, families, neighborhoods there is nowhere to run or hide. When your biggest crime is being born then who do you call upon to take up for you? I appreciate this post more than you can know. I also was never taught in church that there was anything wrong with me. Desmond Tutu told me when I was fourteen "You're a bright young man, and a very nice person to have met". He spoke at my church trying to find funding for African civil rights and to speak out against Apartheid. This gay hatred by various religious people's is a pretty recent phenomenon and it hurts all people very badly. It's a "divide and conquer" mentality and it is to further separate us into groups and hopefully make one group stronger than the other. This is purely leadership and not doctrine. I consider myself a Christian and it doesn't even bother me that other people who claim the same faith don't recognize me as such. Heaven is a place we can only get to by ourselves. All the other people in the building don't get us to the place we all hope to get to if that's what we believe in. It is an inside job. In the end we are all granted our own eternity by the lives we lead, the injustices we decry and the people we help along the way. I feel a great empathy for anybody or any being that suffers. I think that morality is compassion based and not dictated by following a structured game plan to meet the expectations of others. I am greatly comforted by your post and am fortunate to have people like you looking after people like me. I think that was the plan. I really think that these are all character tests and I think that in the end we will all find out just what we were correct in thinking and what we were mislead to believe. Institutionalized hatred is by far one of the greatest hurdles humanity will ever have to face. Those of us who survive it and fight against it will have the comfort in knowing we did the right thing. If that is all we get then I consider myself fortunate for at least trying my hardest to look after others and to try and make the world just a little easier on somebody who is having a difficult time of it. Just as you have done here. On behalf of my loving family I wholeheartedly thank you.

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Yes, this is the most reason why gay marriage should be legal. Whenever I hear about the story that people who love each other so faithfully no matter what can't act on critical moment simply because of some stupid law, it horrifies me.
I am a Christian, and I say if two people choose to live lovingly with one another, their gender should not be an object. There are many reasons one could consider any relationship a sinful one. I know that I sin in my relationship with my husband because I can be volatile and selfish, and I don't think that my sin is any less than anyone else's. Sin is something we all live with. I wouldn't want anyone else's moral judgment to infringe on my rights, so I refuse to be party to infringing on gay peoples.

Personally, I think that "Christian" marriage is a matter of the church, not the state, and that Christians should all make that distinction and simply let legal marriage be a matter of LAW, period.

Great post, EF. Thank you for bringing this issue up again. It really can't be aired too much.
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I couldn't have said it better. This is an issue that I find impossible to discuss with people who don't agree with me. I just feel too strongly about it, and when I get worked up about it I start turning red and getting teary eyed. I am really good at stepping back and understanding people's differences of opinion, but on this issue (and any other equality issue) I can't respect their opinions.

I respect religious beliefs, but this is an issue where I think people use religion as an excuse to hide their fear of people different from themselves.
Gay marriage is legal up here. Guess what? The world didn't end, straight people haven't been sashayed into extinction and the queer bridezillas are just as out of control as hetero ones.
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I really don't get why gay marriage isn't legal... Who is it hurting? No one! The straights and the gays can still have their married lives side by side...
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Great post! I agree 100%. Thank you for saying it so eloquently and for standing up for so many.

Gay marriage is legal here now, and I don't understand why it isn't legal there too....what difference does it make really? :S

I think your post is brilliant btw. xx

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The most often quoted is that the Bible says homosexuality is wrong. Ok, the same Bible also says to judge not lest ye be judged. C'mon people. The state of things today, the gays are enjoying longer relationships than the heteros. Seen the statistics on divorce lately? Sheesh. My personal, humorous take on it is that they have every right to be as unhappy as the rest of us married people. LOL
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Love, in all its forms, should be the greatest thing that brings us all together.

Lovely post & Sentiment ~ 100% agree.
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Very well said.
Shushnow is right, there can't be such a thing as over-exposure of this topic at this stage.
I am so, so happy I came over to visit and found this. Thank you for stopping by to see me today and causing me to come by here. Thank you for writing this. There is such a goodness that shines through it. I also agree with Lightchaser. The more we talk about this, the better it is for all of us. Bless you! I also understand about neighbourhood adds, but I will be adding you to mine, because I would like to read mor and I don't want to lose you in the shuffle. I already miss many of the posts my neighbours write, because I can't get on here as often as I like, so I understand what you mean. Nonetheless, I have to keep you in mind, because posts like these are just so uplifiting for me.So, my feelings are not at all hurt if you don't add me, but I'm putting you in my 'hood,girl.

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